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Ordering my McMillan Stock

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I thought I was almost ready to order my stock, I have many of the details settled, and had the McMillan order form 95% filled out in front of me. I was not sure about the custom lug and I was not sure about the shank length information needed, so I called my best friend and rifle mentor to ask some questions. Regarding the custom lug he said I should just call Big Horn Arms and ask them for some details. I did call Big Horn Arms and I talked to AJ Goddard (he was very nice). I let him know I was about to order my stock, and planned on using a Big Horn Arms short tactical action, and wanted to know if I needed any additional info about a custom lug, etc. AJ let me know that McMillan has one of his actions there at their factory and that they would know what to do. That made perfect sense, so I thanked him for his time and called McMillan.

I ended up talking to a nice lady named Kay, and we walked though the ordering process together. I had all the answers to the questions she was asking until we came to the barrel information. I let her know I was going to use a #8 Kreiger Standard Target barrel contour. This is where the question came up about “shank length”. I had the Kreiger Barrel website open in front of me and I was on the page with all the barrel measurements.  I tried to tell her what I thought the answer was (2.75′), but she didn’t think that was correct, so we went through the rest of the order form and I told her I’d call her back about the Shank Length questions.  I realized later, what I was telling her was the unfinished shank length, or the cylinder length.

I figured out my actual Length of Pull (LOP).  A standard LOP is 13.5″, but I figured out that mine is 12.75″.  I will discuss how to find your personal LOP in a different article.  So, I did request the stock be modified to compensate for the shorter LOP.  I did choose my stock color, it is “Option D” as discussed in my previous article.  I chose 40% Woodland Beige, 40% Turquoise, and 20% Black.  Kay and I discussed if these colors would work, specifically, if the woodland beige was light enough to provide a contrasting color.  She said it was, and thought the colors would be fine.

Some of the other decisions I made and confirmed during this order, I am going to go with a Jewell Trigger, I am getting a rail on the fore-end to mount my bi-bod (which will give me the option to use several brands of bi-pods).  I initially told Kay I wanted an Anschultz Rail, but I think I am going to switch that to a Freeland brand rail, after talking to another expert in the field (Dayne, a friend of Don, my rifle mentor).  I also had flush cups inserted into the side of the stock for the sling as well.

The reason I ended up talking to Dayne was regarding the Shank Length question.  He has a plethora of McMillan stocks, and is the type of guy that would call McMillan and know exactly what he wanted, and would be able to explain to Kay what he wanted.  Because I am still learning, (no matter how much I have already learned) I did not know exactly what the “shank” was and so I could not answer Kay’s question.  I called Dayne and he explained to me what I needed to know.  He said what McMillan needed was the “finished shank length”, so could properly inlet the stock for my barrel.  I had already read on the internet and figured out what the shank portion of the barrel was, but Dayne explained that the gunsmith would have to thread the breech end of my barrel for it to be inserted into the action, and the portion of the shank left would be my “finished shank length.”

McMillan will need to account for the remaining  shank and subsequent taper of the barrel so the stock and barrel will look like they are a perfect match.  Dayne and Don both say in order to know what my actual shank length is, I will need to call the gunsmith, as he will take a lot of things into account, like how my 6XC cartridge will feed from the AI magazine, if I am using 115 DTEC bullets, how long the throat should be, etc.  So, I am going to have to call Robert Gradous on Monday again to see what he recommends for this measurement.

Kay, at McMillan, let me know that I would receive a confirmation e-mail in about two weeks, and made it sound like I could make any changes to my order until about that time.  If anyone ever wonders why custom stocks are so expensive, there is a lot of thought that goes into them.  I am understanding more and more everyday.  On McMillan’s website it states that it could be 3-4 months of wait time before I receive my stock.  So, in the mean time I am going to keep researching and get the other parts on order one by one.  I’ll let you know how all that is going!

As usual, I would love to hear about your experiences, including questions and comments.  I think this article made it pretty clear, I still have A LOT to learn!

Surgeon Tactical Action vs. Big Horn Arms Tactical Action

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Surgeon Short Tactical Action (591)

After talking to Robert Gradous, I need to make a decision between a Surgeon Short Tactical Action (591/R) and a Big Horn Arms Short Tactical Action.  I have read a lot about both, and no doubt, either could make me happy.  Mr. Gradous said he had used both in his rifle builds, and felt both were good, but he thought the Surgeon was a more solid component with better repeatibility.  The price difference between the two is over $200.00, but if I choose the cheaper one (Big Horn Arms) and end up wishing I had the other, it won’t really be less expensive.  It is difficult to find good factual data on the Big Horn Arms action, because they are a newer company, and therefore, there are less people using them and providing feedback (compared to the extremely popular Surgeon).

How do you compare actions?  Some attributes that vary among actions are (among others):

  • weight
  • 60 degree vs 90 degree bolt throw (Both the actions discussed here have 90 degree bolt throws.)
  • Type of extractor used (both have Remington)
  • Is the picatinny rail integrated or separate?

The Surgeon 591/R action comes with an integrated 20 MOA 1913 picatinny rail that runs the full length of the action.  Both actions will work in conjunction with any stocks made for the Remington 700 short action with little to no modification as well as triggers and feeding systems.

Big Horn Arms Short Tactical Action

The Big Horn Arms (BHA) Action is compatible with Surgeon bottom medal and AI Magazines feed extremely well.  Due to some design modifications, the BHA action supports heavy barrels very well (this last point is less important to me because I am trying to balance weight and accuracy, and will NOT be getting a very heavy barrel.) The BHA bolt has a floating head, so the lugs are always squarely in contact with the receiver and not affected by the alignment of the bolt body in the receiver.  The BHA also claims better barrel alignment to the action.

The BHA also touts the following features:

  • Weighs 31 ounces
  • Extra heavy rear tang eliminates rear tang flex.
  • Positive bolt stop that does not contact bolt lugs.
  • Due to a closed top, making the action more stiff, it has an ejection port that does not allow for top loading and it must be fed from a detachable magazine.
  • Lightened firing pins to quicken lock time.

The Surgeon 591/R features:

  • Uses a Remington extractor
  • Weighs 34.6oz
  • Bolt: One piece, Fluted, Two lug and threaded handle
As I read forums for reviews on both actions, I do find more people who say Surgeon is the way to go, but again – there are just so many more of them out there.  I started looking for something that was going to be the “thing” to tip the scales.  I dug around on Surgeon’s website, and… They support the military LOUD and PROUD over there, I definatly love that!  I started really digging on Big Horn Arms website for more info, they are from Colorado – just like me! (Because I am in the military, I am still a Colorado resident though I live in California.)  I wondered where they were in Colorado, so I “Googled” for info on their location.  What?  Are you kidding me?  Their shop is about 10 miles from my mom’s house outside Denver!!!  Is THAT the sign I was looking for?  Maybe it is.  I might go see my family in the next month or so – I wonder if AJ and Mark at Big Horn Arms would mind if I visited and talked to them and actually touched their actions?  I am really leaning in that direction.  I just can’t get it out of my head that Robert Gradous prefers Surgeon, even though he’s built rifles with both.
This is a tough decision.  I would appreciate any thoughts ya’ll have!
Either way, these actions are going to be FAR more accurate than I will ever be able to shoot, so maybe I should flip a coin!

I’m Taking You on a Journey… Building a Custom Rifle

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For the last year, I have been lucky enough to spend A LOT of time shooting a Remington 5R (.223), a couple of Accuracy Internationals (.308/.260) and my favorite – a custom Remington. (Click here and scroll down for details and a photo of the custom Remington.) I have loved every minute, and am hungry to learn more.  I am crazy enough to think I am going to try some long range tactical matches with my friends who have been teaching me about this great sport.  Now I find myself shopping less for heels and instead I have been trying to find the precision tactical rifle that calls my name. I thought it was going to be an Accuracy International with a .260 barrel, and we have found plenty for sale, used, with only a few rounds through the barrel.  Still – I could not quite “bite the bullet” (pun intended) and make the purchase.

The Accuracy Internationals are amazing weapons, accurate, rugged, beautiful, everything a shooter could want.  Still, because I am a girl (and I guess no matter how tough I am, I COULD be tougher) it is fairly heavy.  The weight really will only matter in a competition when I am lugging it from stage to stage, and also some competitions require some stages to shoot from a position other than prone.  So, we started talking about building a custom rifle where I could choose a stock with a more appropriate Length of Pull (LOP) and possibly knock some weight off with various choices.  I have two friends that give me advice, they are Don and Bill.  Bill did warn me that making the rifle too light could increase recoil – so we are trying to find a good balance.

I have already made a few decisions – and I will talk about some of them, a little at a time.  I am going to do more research and call a couple of expert gunsmiths and ask a bunch of questions as well.  Just the conversations with men so well known for building “art” in the form of precision tactical rifles will be worth talking about.

I would be interested in knowing if you have built a custom rifle – or any type of gun before.  What lessons did you learn and was it worth it when you were finished?

I have a lot to learn on this topic – and maybe you do to.  So, hope you’ll come along with me and we can learn together!

 

A Rifle Above the Rest

Sometimes I cannot believe my good fortune. In this video I am only shooting about 250 yards (with a 223), but the best part of this day was the Rifle I had the privilege of using. It is completely a custom setup and listed below are some attributes:
Caliber = .284 Winchester
Bullet = 7mm 162grain Hornaday A-Max
Krieger 28″ barrel with a 1 in 9″ twist rate
Mcmillian  A5 Stock
Remington action trued by Mark Penrod
Rifle completely built by Mark Penrod
Scope: Leupold Mk4 8.5-25x50mm with M5 Turrets

You can see it in the foreground in the below picture:

 

Everything about this firearm is perfect, just perfect. No, it is not mine, but belongs to one of the smart guys who take time out of their day to teach me more about guns from time to time. I consider it a work of art. Can a girl fall in love with a Long Range Tactical Rifle?